1 00:00:09,830 --> 00:00:05,809 welcome to tales from the rabbit hole 2 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:09,840 I'm your host Mick West today's guest is 3 00:00:15,890 --> 00:00:13,200 Joe Joe is a guy I met many years ago 4 00:00:17,060 --> 00:00:15,900 back on contrail science back when I was 5 00:00:19,910 --> 00:00:17,070 debunking the chemtrail conspiracy 6 00:00:23,150 --> 00:00:19,920 theory and he was a believer in the 7 00:00:25,460 --> 00:00:23,160 chemtrail conspiracy theory and now he's 8 00:00:29,060 --> 00:00:25,470 not in a large part I think that is 9 00:00:31,460 --> 00:00:29,070 because he stayed around to try to argue 10 00:00:34,940 --> 00:00:31,470 with me and eventually he saw that my 11 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:34,950 arguments made sense however he still he 12 00:00:39,020 --> 00:00:36,510 still does believe in a bunch of 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:39,030 conspiracy theories and there bit more 14 00:00:44,690 --> 00:00:40,770 mainstream though and I think Joe 15 00:00:46,940 --> 00:00:44,700 represents a good chunk of America he 16 00:00:48,950 --> 00:00:46,950 describes himself jokingly as a 17 00:00:52,340 --> 00:00:48,960 deplorable which is a term Hillary 18 00:00:55,279 --> 00:00:52,350 Clinton used when she was running for 19 00:00:59,660 --> 00:00:55,289 president to describe people who support 20 00:01:02,990 --> 00:00:59,670 it Donald Trump and Joe believes that 21 00:01:06,730 --> 00:01:03,000 the media has a very strong left-wing 22 00:01:09,740 --> 00:01:06,740 bias and social justice warriors are 23 00:01:12,770 --> 00:01:09,750 pushing certain social issues 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:12,780 particularly to do with race over other 25 00:01:21,770 --> 00:01:17,450 issues and he feels that there is 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:21,780 essentially a conspiracy to form a 27 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:24,210 one-world government headed by people 28 00:01:32,390 --> 00:01:29,520 like George Soros or is this great fear 29 00:01:34,550 --> 00:01:32,400 that the right has that the left-wing 30 00:01:37,399 --> 00:01:34,560 people essentially wants to do away with 31 00:01:40,370 --> 00:01:37,409 state sovereignty and borders and just 32 00:01:43,789 --> 00:01:40,380 allow a big free-for-all or some kind of 33 00:01:47,539 --> 00:01:43,799 authoritarian one-world government so 34 00:01:50,690 --> 00:01:47,549 this is essentially the uber conspiracy 35 00:01:52,130 --> 00:01:50,700 theory that he believes in we talk about 36 00:01:53,660 --> 00:01:52,140 that more in the second half of the 37 00:01:55,730 --> 00:01:53,670 interview the first half we talk about 38 00:01:57,950 --> 00:01:55,740 his history with chemtrails and his 39 00:02:02,209 --> 00:01:57,960 opinion about other conspiracy theories 40 00:02:05,630 --> 00:02:02,219 but I think it's very interesting how he 41 00:02:07,069 --> 00:02:05,640 he is a type of guy who I think many 42 00:02:09,309 --> 00:02:07,079 people if you look at his Twitter feed 43 00:02:11,820 --> 00:02:09,319 you were saying this guy's a racist guy 44 00:02:13,710 --> 00:02:11,830 because he's just going on about 45 00:02:17,550 --> 00:02:13,720 how black people commit all these crimes 46 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:17,560 and that certainly is kept how it 47 00:02:22,770 --> 00:02:18,940 appeared to me when I looked at his 48 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:22,780 Twitter feed but he's an interesting 49 00:02:27,690 --> 00:02:25,510 person to talk to because I think it's 50 00:02:29,130 --> 00:02:27,700 really important to understand people 51 00:02:32,090 --> 00:02:29,140 rather than just simply dismissing 52 00:02:35,310 --> 00:02:32,100 people I certainly don't agree with 53 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:35,320 jurors positions I'm kind of a liberal 54 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:39,250 person myself but if we don't understand 55 00:02:43,620 --> 00:02:40,930 people and we don't talk to them then 56 00:02:46,910 --> 00:02:43,630 we're not gonna make any progress so 57 00:02:50,250 --> 00:02:46,920 that's for look at what Joe has to say 58 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:50,260 all right Joe welcome to tales from the 59 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:52,810 rabbit hole I've known you for quite a 60 00:02:57,410 --> 00:02:55,570 long time online I've never actually 61 00:03:00,840 --> 00:02:57,420 spoken to you before 62 00:03:03,420 --> 00:03:00,850 yeah we've had quite an interesting past 63 00:03:05,310 --> 00:03:03,430 I guess because you've started out you 64 00:03:07,110 --> 00:03:05,320 just said Toby you were on Cantrell 65 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:07,120 science which is like the website I did 66 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:08,710 it was like debunking chemtrails and 67 00:03:11,970 --> 00:03:09,970 you're one of the one of the early 68 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:11,980 posters back in the day can you remember 69 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:13,510 a life back to there and like you know 70 00:03:18,510 --> 00:03:15,790 what got you interested in it and what 71 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:18,520 got you started posting on control so 72 00:03:23,490 --> 00:03:21,130 you can thank J Reynolds for that all 73 00:03:26,820 --> 00:03:23,500 right I guess they had done a local 74 00:03:28,590 --> 00:03:26,830 reporter done story because I all of a 75 00:03:30,420 --> 00:03:28,600 sudden I noticed these things in the sky 76 00:03:31,350 --> 00:03:30,430 that they apparently never noticed 77 00:03:32,790 --> 00:03:31,360 before in my life 78 00:03:34,860 --> 00:03:32,800 the story went in the paper and I guess 79 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:34,870 J Reynold's had picked up this on the 80 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:36,850 story so he started commenting no I 81 00:03:41,010 --> 00:03:38,770 don't know how I found my way over to 82 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:41,020 contro science but it has something to 83 00:03:46,290 --> 00:03:43,510 do with him yeah he was posting back 84 00:03:47,610 --> 00:03:46,300 then on a contrail sinuses I know he 85 00:03:50,010 --> 00:03:47,620 would go around whenever there was a 86 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:50,020 story about somebody we cam trails and 87 00:03:54,030 --> 00:03:52,510 he would show up so okay that's pretty 88 00:03:56,580 --> 00:03:54,040 much what it wasn't like well this is 89 00:03:58,229 --> 00:03:56,590 odd who is this guy you know when you're 90 00:03:59,970 --> 00:03:58,239 in the conspiracy world basically 91 00:04:01,500 --> 00:03:59,980 anybody who comes in you know you're 92 00:04:04,890 --> 00:04:01,510 automatically oh this guy must be a 93 00:04:05,970 --> 00:04:04,900 government you work or whatever so so is 94 00:04:08,340 --> 00:04:05,980 that what you thought you actually 95 00:04:10,140 --> 00:04:08,350 thought that he was some kind of like 96 00:04:12,750 --> 00:04:10,150 all I thought country of science was 97 00:04:15,420 --> 00:04:12,760 yeah of course and of course everybody 98 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:15,430 would say yeah Big West he's a he's a 99 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:16,930 you know he's a shill and you're working 100 00:04:21,050 --> 00:04:18,330 for the government you know all the 101 00:04:23,460 --> 00:04:21,060 common things used to here back then and 102 00:04:25,230 --> 00:04:23,470 so so how do you feel when people call 103 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:25,240 you a shill 104 00:04:29,010 --> 00:04:27,310 yet you just used to it now he doesn't 105 00:04:31,379 --> 00:04:29,020 mean anything I know I know that some 106 00:04:32,820 --> 00:04:31,389 people are going to do it so it doesn't 107 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:32,830 really mean anything because I'm not a 108 00:04:39,090 --> 00:04:37,060 shill know I always said I had respect 109 00:04:41,550 --> 00:04:39,100 for because I like I said I've never got 110 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:41,560 you lying to me yeah now unless you know 111 00:04:44,790 --> 00:04:43,210 it's very important if yeah if you're 112 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:44,800 gonna be a deep bunker or someone who 113 00:04:49,980 --> 00:04:47,130 investigated these things like having 114 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:49,990 absolute honesty and openness there's 115 00:04:54,510 --> 00:04:51,970 something that's it's it you know it's 116 00:04:56,370 --> 00:04:54,520 the important thing because you hit the 117 00:04:58,650 --> 00:04:56,380 trust of people by being always honest 118 00:05:00,000 --> 00:04:58,660 with them yeah and the minute you get 119 00:05:02,340 --> 00:05:00,010 caught in a lodge and all the sudden it 120 00:05:05,460 --> 00:05:02,350 goes all you credibility's yeah mmm yeah 121 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:05,470 so it's worse what's good honesty best 122 00:05:10,620 --> 00:05:08,860 best policy like the chemtrail thing 123 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:10,630 like you studied get interested in it 124 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:14,289 but locally you've seen bike trails in 125 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:17,530 the sky it was actually you know I mean 126 00:05:21,930 --> 00:05:19,570 I guess we don't look up as much as we 127 00:05:24,270 --> 00:05:21,940 think we do and it was one day in the 128 00:05:26,010 --> 00:05:24,280 winter and I guess I guess where we are 129 00:05:28,260 --> 00:05:26,020 in Florida there's a lot of flakes over 130 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:28,270 where I live and of course you know with 131 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:30,130 the exes you know wasn't just the 132 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:31,690 straight lines and one day I just see 133 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:34,030 how I was like jeez I've never seen that 134 00:05:36,810 --> 00:05:34,510 before 135 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:36,820 you know like you said you just believe 136 00:05:41,790 --> 00:05:39,849 that if you've never seen it before then 137 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:41,800 this must be something new exactly 138 00:05:44,730 --> 00:05:43,150 what's the first thing you do is you go 139 00:05:47,550 --> 00:05:44,740 on the internet and you start looking it 140 00:05:49,020 --> 00:05:47,560 up and you know naturally that's that's 141 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:49,030 kind of when you kind of fall into that 142 00:05:53,850 --> 00:05:52,090 that rabbit hole but then I started 143 00:05:56,189 --> 00:05:53,860 seeing somebody where people are saying 144 00:05:59,339 --> 00:05:56,199 stuff like oh we're being poisoned and 145 00:06:01,589 --> 00:05:59,349 all this this other and I kind of think 146 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:01,599 buy into that part because when we were 147 00:06:06,719 --> 00:06:05,110 up in DC I remember seeing them all over 148 00:06:09,540 --> 00:06:06,729 the place up in DC then too and I was 149 00:06:11,129 --> 00:06:09,550 like well if this is poison and it's 150 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:11,139 coming down on the White House that just 151 00:06:15,210 --> 00:06:13,150 doesn't make any sense it's so that's 152 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:15,220 when I kind of switch gears into the 153 00:06:20,159 --> 00:06:18,250 geoengineering which I noticed I went on 154 00:06:22,260 --> 00:06:20,169 my site last night just to check back to 155 00:06:24,149 --> 00:06:22,270 see where I started with the chemtrails 156 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:24,159 and then how I switched over to the 157 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:25,930 geoengineering it was only in the first 158 00:06:29,159 --> 00:06:27,370 couple posts that I even mentioned the 159 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:29,169 word chemtrails and that's because I 160 00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:32,050 just seen it it's just yeah so you you 161 00:06:36,779 --> 00:06:34,960 could have kept on with a hole do you 162 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:36,789 engineer anything for a while on on 163 00:06:42,260 --> 00:06:38,430 metabolic you were argue 164 00:06:44,420 --> 00:06:42,270 for a while I think yeah I even joined 165 00:06:46,820 --> 00:06:44,430 geoengineering Google Groups as you did 166 00:06:48,650 --> 00:06:46,830 here are you believing in geoengineering 167 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:48,660 and then you actually see scientists 168 00:06:53,749 --> 00:06:51,330 talking about it there was a video I 169 00:06:56,540 --> 00:06:53,759 think what was it look the loose change 170 00:06:59,300 --> 00:06:56,550 guy did one with Ken caldera and he 171 00:07:00,920 --> 00:06:59,310 spoke to him that actually that kind of 172 00:07:02,810 --> 00:07:00,930 changed me quite a bit watching that 173 00:07:05,629 --> 00:07:02,820 because here's a guy who was willing it 174 00:07:06,830 --> 00:07:05,639 was open to explaining what's going on 175 00:07:09,140 --> 00:07:06,840 and because you had a room full of 176 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:09,150 chemtrails basically that kind of 177 00:07:13,430 --> 00:07:11,910 changes it a little bit of course once I 178 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:13,440 learned how to track the flights thank 179 00:07:17,180 --> 00:07:15,120 to you because you see these plane 180 00:07:18,980 --> 00:07:17,190 you're like oh must be oh it's another 181 00:07:20,629 --> 00:07:18,990 who knows it's a government plane going 182 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:20,639 over your head and when I learned to 183 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:22,610 track the flights through flight we're 184 00:07:28,310 --> 00:07:25,289 kind of just made it easier basically to 185 00:07:29,779 --> 00:07:28,320 say no I don't I know airliners aren't 186 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:29,789 going over to spraying anything out of 187 00:07:33,170 --> 00:07:31,770 the plane so when you think they might 188 00:07:36,499 --> 00:07:33,180 be government planes doing it like 189 00:07:37,969 --> 00:07:36,509 evergreen or all these other you know so 190 00:07:39,890 --> 00:07:37,979 when you can't identify the plane but 191 00:07:41,450 --> 00:07:39,900 once you get to point we identify the 192 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:41,460 flight where it's drawing where it's 193 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:44,250 coming from and of course flying a few 194 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:46,410 times and then just watching airliners 195 00:07:49,370 --> 00:07:47,370 go when you're up there and you're 196 00:07:52,159 --> 00:07:49,380 watching airliners go by you and they're 197 00:07:53,629 --> 00:07:52,169 just not just like and then I guess well 198 00:07:55,790 --> 00:07:53,639 I think you explained to me about I 199 00:07:59,600 --> 00:07:55,800 guess it was a change in the jet engine 200 00:08:01,100 --> 00:07:59,610 stuff did I buy my bypass here you know 201 00:08:02,750 --> 00:08:01,110 that they actually just put out more 202 00:08:04,580 --> 00:08:02,760 more you know they just put out more 203 00:08:07,250 --> 00:08:04,590 clouds basically after a while you just 204 00:08:09,890 --> 00:08:07,260 get yeah you just get kind of bored with 205 00:08:14,210 --> 00:08:09,900 you know in other words I would go out 206 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:14,220 of my way just to try and prove you 207 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:16,650 wrong and I couldn't do it so what's the 208 00:08:20,210 --> 00:08:18,690 what's the point if you believe in 209 00:08:22,969 --> 00:08:20,220 something this guy there's got to be 210 00:08:25,730 --> 00:08:22,979 facts just kind of what you taught me in 211 00:08:28,670 --> 00:08:25,740 a sense really and you know what without 212 00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:28,680 any facts it just falls apart there was 213 00:08:33,110 --> 00:08:31,680 just nothing to go by anymore but of 214 00:08:36,199 --> 00:08:33,120 course I like arguing anyway because 215 00:08:38,420 --> 00:08:36,209 that's just how I am so right I noticed 216 00:08:41,839 --> 00:08:38,430 that yeah I was looking at some of your 217 00:08:43,219 --> 00:08:41,849 stats on on better bunk sir only after 218 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:43,229 contrails science you know I started 219 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:45,690 meta bunk and like 20 something or other 220 00:08:52,130 --> 00:08:50,760 and you are the the tenth highest poster 221 00:08:56,090 --> 00:08:52,140 in terms of number of 222 00:08:59,329 --> 00:08:56,100 on Medibank here you got like 3,500 223 00:09:02,630 --> 00:08:59,339 messages on Medibank you're number one 224 00:09:05,780 --> 00:09:02,640 in the number of warnings yeah lets me 225 00:09:08,030 --> 00:09:05,790 give it out over the years cuz I'm the 226 00:09:10,210 --> 00:09:08,040 only one that last did you yeah yeah I 227 00:09:14,569 --> 00:09:10,220 think that's that's a good a good point 228 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:14,579 32 of your warnings were in the 2014 so 229 00:09:20,060 --> 00:09:16,769 I think you had a even run a bit of a 230 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:20,070 tear in 2014 in terms of arguing about 231 00:09:25,100 --> 00:09:23,250 stuff we usually might set me off all 232 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:25,110 the time anyway and I think I remember 233 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:28,290 finding a sign about a warning sign 234 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:29,610 about sheep or something to new zealand 235 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:32,130 and that kind of got me banned for a 236 00:09:37,790 --> 00:09:34,410 little while and of course i'm very 237 00:09:40,579 --> 00:09:37,800 political as far as far as you know 238 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:40,589 anyway yeah that tends to get you in 239 00:09:43,460 --> 00:09:42,120 trouble and that had a lot to do with 240 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:43,470 getting into the chemtrail conspiracy 241 00:09:51,259 --> 00:09:46,769 too because of course that's we want 242 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:51,269 obama got elected you I guess you would 243 00:09:55,100 --> 00:09:52,529 have described yourself was kind of a 244 00:09:57,259 --> 00:09:55,110 tea party conservative back then yeah 245 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:57,269 yeah yes I know if you still do now I 246 00:10:02,689 --> 00:09:59,010 mean tea party isn't really a thing so 247 00:10:03,889 --> 00:10:02,699 much as it anymore no no it's not it I 248 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:03,899 mean it's there and there are a lot of 249 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:06,449 people that I wouldn't consider it a tea 250 00:10:11,870 --> 00:10:08,070 party I just say that they're just you 251 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:11,880 know conservatives I I'm just deplorable 252 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:15,930 now that's all pen yeah you did know 253 00:10:20,930 --> 00:10:19,110 some of the conspiracy theories that you 254 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:20,940 were into back then like you talked 255 00:10:27,439 --> 00:10:25,529 about Obama's birth certificate yeah I 256 00:10:29,329 --> 00:10:27,449 don't know how seriously you took that 257 00:10:32,569 --> 00:10:29,339 like did you actually think that Obama 258 00:10:36,290 --> 00:10:32,579 might have been born Kenya I remember 259 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:36,300 sheriff joe arpaio investigation on it 260 00:10:39,949 --> 00:10:38,490 really nothing came up I mean he had 261 00:10:41,689 --> 00:10:39,959 posted it and everybody who did the 262 00:10:43,490 --> 00:10:41,699 layers and all that other stuff and they 263 00:10:45,380 --> 00:10:43,500 had the forensic guy and everything else 264 00:10:48,079 --> 00:10:45,390 and it just never went nowhere the 265 00:10:51,199 --> 00:10:48,089 conspiracy was was yes he was born in 266 00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:51,209 Hawaii but his father wasn't what was it 267 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:54,000 his father supposedly wasn't Obama it 268 00:10:58,310 --> 00:10:56,730 was Frank Marshall Davis and then they 269 00:10:59,870 --> 00:10:58,320 do the thing where they say look how 270 00:11:02,389 --> 00:10:59,880 much he looks actually more like Frank 271 00:11:04,910 --> 00:11:02,399 Marshall Davis and he does his father 272 00:11:05,810 --> 00:11:04,920 brocco bomb the senior book you're 273 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:05,820 interested in 274 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:09,420 stuff like that now even even if he was 275 00:11:14,180 --> 00:11:11,970 even if it was you what were you gonna 276 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:14,190 do you couldn't you couldn't impeach him 277 00:11:17,569 --> 00:11:16,050 and it's just they had an investigation 278 00:11:21,079 --> 00:11:17,579 they raised some points they said 279 00:11:23,509 --> 00:11:21,089 basically that certificate was that he 280 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:23,519 posted online was and you would know 281 00:11:26,810 --> 00:11:25,290 more than I do that it was just all 282 00:11:29,090 --> 00:11:26,820 these different layers and it's just 283 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:29,100 they they found the original that they 284 00:11:32,329 --> 00:11:30,690 actually used to make his birth 285 00:11:34,310 --> 00:11:32,339 certificate and everything else but yeah 286 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:34,320 so they say at this point it doesn't 287 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:36,660 matter anymore really well yeah it's a 288 00:11:41,180 --> 00:11:37,310 done deal 289 00:11:42,350 --> 00:11:41,190 you know why would I know it wasn't I 290 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:42,360 would think you would still matter 291 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:45,649 though like if he did come out now that 292 00:11:49,009 --> 00:11:47,970 you know he was born in Kenya and lied 293 00:11:51,590 --> 00:11:49,019 about it that would be a pretty 294 00:11:54,019 --> 00:11:51,600 significant thing so you know if it was 295 00:11:56,990 --> 00:11:54,029 actually a true thing you think people 296 00:11:58,730 --> 00:11:57,000 would still be pursuing it yeah but they 297 00:12:01,189 --> 00:11:58,740 won't because when when when when a 298 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:01,199 photographs came out of him were louis 299 00:12:06,379 --> 00:12:04,110 farrakhan that they held back purposely 300 00:12:08,269 --> 00:12:06,389 it didn't it didn't matter to anybody 301 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:08,279 which kind of strengthened kind of weird 302 00:12:12,470 --> 00:12:10,740 because if you had pictures of if you 303 00:12:13,970 --> 00:12:12,480 had pictures of Trump or David Duke or 304 00:12:17,059 --> 00:12:13,980 something you know they'd be making a 305 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:17,069 big deal out of it and it's kind of on 306 00:12:22,670 --> 00:12:20,310 watching politics now because now you 307 00:12:25,939 --> 00:12:22,680 and I want I want my politicians not 308 00:12:27,439 --> 00:12:25,949 criticized I do I want and anything the 309 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:27,449 problem was they didn't do that with 310 00:12:31,370 --> 00:12:29,550 Obama he had that kid-glove 311 00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:31,380 you couldn't touch him you know and of 312 00:12:37,550 --> 00:12:33,470 course most of the media was on the side 313 00:12:39,769 --> 00:12:37,560 but yeah you know I think you say most 314 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:39,779 of the media you know something that 315 00:12:44,780 --> 00:12:41,250 comes up when you're talking about 316 00:12:46,220 --> 00:12:44,790 politics and such like is Fox News like 317 00:12:47,629 --> 00:12:46,230 people get polarized by watching things 318 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:47,639 like Fox News now I think you told me 319 00:12:52,430 --> 00:12:50,130 that you actually listen to NPR did you 320 00:12:53,660 --> 00:12:52,440 tell me that every morning every morning 321 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:53,670 I listen to NPR 322 00:12:57,730 --> 00:12:54,690 that's very interesting cuz you have 323 00:13:02,480 --> 00:12:57,740 very you know right-wing politics 324 00:13:04,579 --> 00:13:02,490 relatively speaking and NPR is is 325 00:13:08,180 --> 00:13:04,589 somewhat left-leaning I would say so 326 00:13:10,610 --> 00:13:08,190 yeah well you know it wakes me up and I 327 00:13:12,949 --> 00:13:10,620 get aggravated as soon as I go so it 328 00:13:14,630 --> 00:13:12,959 makes it easy really they I would say it 329 00:13:17,059 --> 00:13:14,640 makes me pull my hair up and I still got 330 00:13:19,610 --> 00:13:17,069 a lot of that left so I guess that ain't 331 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:19,620 working but it's just it's pretty bad 332 00:13:23,570 --> 00:13:22,110 it was the same reason why I came onto 333 00:13:26,269 --> 00:13:23,580 your site because you got to get both 334 00:13:27,890 --> 00:13:26,279 sides if everybody sticks on their side 335 00:13:30,170 --> 00:13:27,900 and they just hear what they do what 336 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:30,180 they want to hear you're not gonna get 337 00:13:33,170 --> 00:13:31,770 the full story you got to go out and 338 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:33,180 search for the truth if you don't go out 339 00:13:35,780 --> 00:13:34,410 and search for the truth you're just 340 00:13:39,430 --> 00:13:35,790 kidding yourself so you've been 341 00:13:42,260 --> 00:13:39,440 listening to NPR for years and years 342 00:13:45,140 --> 00:13:42,270 probably I would say about two years now 343 00:13:47,690 --> 00:13:45,150 right it's all it's all trough this 344 00:13:50,420 --> 00:13:47,700 Trump that definitely all about race all 345 00:13:54,230 --> 00:13:50,430 the time for some reason you know or our 346 00:13:55,850 --> 00:13:54,240 sexual orientation and it's I like 347 00:14:00,680 --> 00:13:55,860 listening to the classical music but 348 00:14:03,620 --> 00:14:00,690 sometimes because it calms me down do 349 00:14:08,060 --> 00:14:03,630 you think it's changed your mind about 350 00:14:09,740 --> 00:14:08,070 anything at all listen to NPR no exactly 351 00:14:15,140 --> 00:14:09,750 it just proves is more biased than I 352 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:15,150 thought oh you guys yeah it's it's just 353 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:17,010 the back yeah no I just find it really 354 00:14:20,030 --> 00:14:18,930 fascinating that you actually choose to 355 00:14:22,940 --> 00:14:20,040 listen to NPR 356 00:14:25,220 --> 00:14:22,950 because most people that I know listen 357 00:14:26,510 --> 00:14:25,230 to things or Moore's things that are 358 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:26,520 much more attuned to their own personal 359 00:14:33,230 --> 00:14:32,010 political beliefs yeah but why do you 360 00:14:35,329 --> 00:14:33,240 need to get the other side of the coin 361 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:35,339 what what do you what do you get out of 362 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:38,970 it could you gotta balance the two out 363 00:14:41,540 --> 00:14:40,110 and somewhere in the middle is the truth 364 00:14:43,610 --> 00:14:41,550 you know all right 365 00:14:45,250 --> 00:14:43,620 I don't I don't know this is what why 366 00:14:48,079 --> 00:14:45,260 did they come on metabolic you know yeah 367 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:48,089 well you can't read about cuz you I 368 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:49,770 guess you someone who lives in 369 00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:52,860 chemtrails at the time yeah yeah I was 370 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:55,440 curious I mean pretty much basically I 371 00:15:00,790 --> 00:14:57,330 knew I could throw something that Mick 372 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:00,800 and he could do all the work for me I 373 00:15:06,050 --> 00:15:03,510 think it was one time with the sandy 374 00:15:08,030 --> 00:15:06,060 sandy hook when they were when they were 375 00:15:09,980 --> 00:15:08,040 doing the Sandy Hook conspiracy which I 376 00:15:11,660 --> 00:15:09,990 never believed in but there was that one 377 00:15:14,329 --> 00:15:11,670 photograph of I think the little girl 378 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:14,339 Madeleine yeah she happen to be wearing 379 00:15:18,410 --> 00:15:17,130 his sister's dress yeah yeah you know 380 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:18,420 whatever he was like how could she be 381 00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:20,970 there she's dead but it wasn't they just 382 00:15:24,019 --> 00:15:22,320 look that much alike and they had the 383 00:15:26,390 --> 00:15:24,029 same dress on and would you pointed that 384 00:15:28,610 --> 00:15:26,400 out yeah I think it's a family to your 385 00:15:30,020 --> 00:15:28,620 skills where I I'd say oh I can throw 386 00:15:33,420 --> 00:15:30,030 this that Mick and he can answer because 387 00:15:35,190 --> 00:15:33,430 I like conspiracy I'd go to like you two 388 00:15:37,230 --> 00:15:35,200 videos and stuff like that and then I'm 389 00:15:38,490 --> 00:15:37,240 I say Wow look at that that's mean I'm 390 00:15:40,350 --> 00:15:38,500 gonna throw this at Mick and see what he 391 00:15:41,790 --> 00:15:40,360 thinks and then you don't you debunk it 392 00:15:44,660 --> 00:15:41,800 for me so it just make it you know 393 00:15:46,590 --> 00:15:44,670 because most of us conspiracy theorists 394 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:46,600 especially those ones that work all the 395 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:49,510 time we're kind of lazy in that way and 396 00:15:54,090 --> 00:15:51,130 that's what I noticed about a lot you 397 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:54,100 know I mean except for maybe like Jim 398 00:15:59,100 --> 00:15:56,170 Lee he still seems to be sticking on it 399 00:16:01,050 --> 00:15:59,110 still he's that's just like way above my 400 00:16:02,730 --> 00:16:01,060 head when he talks about anyway so yeah 401 00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:02,740 so Jim Lee he's the guy who has a 402 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:06,100 website that's especially promoting the 403 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:07,810 idea that the secret geoengineering 404 00:16:12,260 --> 00:16:10,270 going on yeah and he has lots of stuff 405 00:16:15,210 --> 00:16:12,270 about the history of geoengineering and 406 00:16:18,810 --> 00:16:15,220 he's an interesting chap he like he he 407 00:16:22,380 --> 00:16:18,820 went to the EPA and yeah yes Bokan their 408 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:22,390 hearings you know he's definitely got a 409 00:16:26,699 --> 00:16:23,470 lot of time on his hands 410 00:16:28,850 --> 00:16:26,709 yeah yeah well I think a lot of people 411 00:16:31,170 --> 00:16:28,860 they think they can make a living out of 412 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:31,180 this this type of thing like putting 413 00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:33,490 interesting videos up on the edge of 414 00:16:39,870 --> 00:16:37,540 that so his he's trying to do it as a 415 00:16:43,199 --> 00:16:39,880 career I guess but it's very difficult 416 00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:43,209 yeah I think I subscribe to channel I 417 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:44,860 don't really think he gets enough views 418 00:16:48,810 --> 00:16:46,450 when he could yeah I wouldn't exercise 419 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:48,820 you know really he could you know where 420 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:51,190 he could actually make money off of it I 421 00:16:55,500 --> 00:16:53,770 mean you'd have to get a lot a lot of I 422 00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:55,510 mean I don't make any money from what I 423 00:17:00,090 --> 00:16:58,000 do if I monetize my videos on YouTube I 424 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:00,100 make like $30 a month or something 425 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:02,290 because I just don't really get that 426 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:04,510 many views there's a lot of people who 427 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:06,550 get way more views than I earn all they 428 00:17:12,569 --> 00:17:08,470 do is they just shout at the Flat Earth 429 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:12,579 people I think you know people just find 430 00:17:15,569 --> 00:17:14,050 that that's tough entertaining and 431 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:15,579 really you got to entertain people to 432 00:17:19,949 --> 00:17:17,410 make money just Justin for me ankle 433 00:17:22,169 --> 00:17:19,959 isn't really enough yeah I think there's 434 00:17:23,579 --> 00:17:22,179 a lot of there's a lot of people that go 435 00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:23,589 out and they jump in the middle of the 436 00:17:27,620 --> 00:17:25,689 anti-fog protests and stuff and they 437 00:17:30,180 --> 00:17:27,630 seem to get a lot of views too so 438 00:17:31,650 --> 00:17:30,190 anything that anything where it is 439 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:31,660 fighting or something like that that 440 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:34,090 seems to get a lot of you but sometimes 441 00:17:39,150 --> 00:17:36,910 I watch like secure team he does all 442 00:17:40,830 --> 00:17:39,160 those UFO videos I'm sure you see 443 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:40,840 because he's got a lot of subscribers 444 00:17:45,299 --> 00:17:43,270 it's enjoying to watch you know because 445 00:17:47,340 --> 00:17:45,309 he's always tagging into this like 446 00:17:49,230 --> 00:17:47,350 you're gonna see this oh yes and there 447 00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,240 UFO bitching I've ever seen there's 448 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:51,280 never nothing there you know you would 449 00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:53,049 figure today with today's cameras and 450 00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:54,640 all that that we'd be getting better 451 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:56,799 photographs and we got back in their 50s 452 00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,210 but it seems like it actually gone 453 00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:00,880 backwards so what what conspiracy 454 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:03,520 theories do you believe it working done 455 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:08,650 I was telling my I don't believe in 456 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:11,530 Santa Claus anymore and in fact not 457 00:18:16,409 --> 00:18:13,210 Christmas what I do is I go down through 458 00:18:21,180 --> 00:18:16,419 the mall now and when kids are there ID 459 00:18:22,529 --> 00:18:21,190 bunk Santa Claus right that's what I 460 00:18:27,930 --> 00:18:22,539 thought my grandson 461 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:27,940 oh so I like goodbye to lay all the way 462 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:30,130 back to say JFK that's a fairly common 463 00:18:33,090 --> 00:18:31,450 thing that people think there's 464 00:18:36,299 --> 00:18:33,100 something suspicious going on there 465 00:18:39,779 --> 00:18:36,309 would you could you think that stories 466 00:18:41,610 --> 00:18:39,789 correct oh no no I I still think there's 467 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:41,620 more to that story than there was but I 468 00:18:45,210 --> 00:18:43,210 don't think we'll have enough you know 469 00:18:47,159 --> 00:18:45,220 just maybe there's more to Lincoln's 470 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:47,169 assassination never let him know until 471 00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:48,490 somebody comes out with some factual 472 00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:50,049 evidence and ain't worth my time 473 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:52,740 I spent a lot of time doing the 474 00:18:56,580 --> 00:18:54,850 geoengineering order can't trust more 475 00:18:58,380 --> 00:18:56,590 more than I did but I actually enjoyed 476 00:19:00,810 --> 00:18:58,390 it cuz I learned a lot there's nothing 477 00:19:02,490 --> 00:19:00,820 wrong I've always been into aircraft so 478 00:19:04,020 --> 00:19:02,500 what kid isn't that when he was a kid 479 00:19:06,570 --> 00:19:04,030 cuz I like I said when I was younger I 480 00:19:08,970 --> 00:19:06,580 live near LAX and I used to ride my bike 481 00:19:09,930 --> 00:19:08,980 to LAX and just watch the planes take 482 00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:09,940 off all the time 483 00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:11,919 I lived in Hawthorne right down the road 484 00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,049 from where SpaceX's I was always coming 485 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:16,720 into aircraft as it was so to think that 486 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:18,700 something I'd loved so much could be 487 00:19:29,399 --> 00:19:22,450 doing bad it was just the you know so 488 00:19:32,130 --> 00:19:29,409 what about say 911 911 man you be my 489 00:19:34,020 --> 00:19:32,140 being that my brother-in-law which I 490 00:19:37,169 --> 00:19:34,030 spoke to you about before I think I I 491 00:19:41,850 --> 00:19:37,179 did a post on it he was uh he actually 492 00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:41,860 just died 911 sickness yeah and now I 493 00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:43,929 talked to people you know they say you 494 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:45,820 know the building seven is like the only 495 00:19:49,770 --> 00:19:47,890 thing but I think you posted some 496 00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:49,780 photographs of it because for a while I 497 00:19:53,370 --> 00:19:51,909 was like that's kind of weird you know 498 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:53,380 you've heard all the videos about 499 00:19:57,030 --> 00:19:54,970 pulling and everything but not never 500 00:20:00,419 --> 00:19:57,040 really bidding tonight I think what 501 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:00,429 happened happened pretty much uh 911 do 502 00:20:03,930 --> 00:20:01,090 you think 503 00:20:05,130 --> 00:20:03,940 perhaps yeah sure like the plane said 504 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:05,140 the buildings and that's what caused the 505 00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:06,340 collapse but you think there could be 506 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:09,070 something behind the hijackers like you 507 00:20:15,630 --> 00:20:11,650 know were they funded by the CIA or 508 00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:15,640 something like that they could have been 509 00:20:20,210 --> 00:20:17,470 funded by somebody but I doubt by our 510 00:20:21,870 --> 00:20:20,220 government I don't want to believe I 511 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:21,880 don't want to believe that our 512 00:20:27,150 --> 00:20:24,910 government be do something like that you 513 00:20:28,860 --> 00:20:27,160 know a net and that's and I think that's 514 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:28,870 where these conspiracy theories most of 515 00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:30,970 them come from is just our distrust and 516 00:20:34,290 --> 00:20:32,980 government basically I mean when you 517 00:20:37,050 --> 00:20:34,300 think about everything whether it's the 518 00:20:39,150 --> 00:20:37,060 chemtrails or whether it's canidius and 519 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:39,160 it all has to do with that one thing the 520 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:40,750 government you know we just don't trust 521 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:42,910 our government and that kind of sucks 522 00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:45,850 that we feel that way you know do you 523 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:47,740 trust the government more now that 524 00:20:53,730 --> 00:20:49,600 trumps in power than you do did when 525 00:20:56,340 --> 00:20:53,740 Obama's in Paris well being that 526 00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:56,350 supposedly technically it is like a deep 527 00:21:00,480 --> 00:20:58,000 state behind 528 00:21:03,060 --> 00:21:00,490 no no so I guess I'd say yeah I believe 529 00:21:04,770 --> 00:21:03,070 in a deep state basically that there's 530 00:21:07,530 --> 00:21:04,780 all these unelected people that are 531 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:07,540 doing better khana and you know whether 532 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:09,010 it's Obama or whether it was Bush 533 00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:10,450 whether it was Clinton it's it just 534 00:21:15,540 --> 00:21:13,840 seems like they there's nothing done in 535 00:21:17,970 --> 00:21:15,550 government basically I mean look we got 536 00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:17,980 wide open borders they talk about you 537 00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:19,870 know all the anti-vaxxers how people 538 00:21:23,010 --> 00:21:21,310 aren't getting vaccinated in everything 539 00:21:24,780 --> 00:21:23,020 and yet we got a wide open border so 540 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:24,790 you'd be like well if you're so worried 541 00:21:28,260 --> 00:21:26,170 about people getting measles which we 542 00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,270 kind of I think we wiped it out in the 543 00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,880 year 2000 I think they said and now all 544 00:21:34,050 --> 00:21:32,080 the sudden you got all these cases of 545 00:21:35,910 --> 00:21:34,060 measles and you know you figured well 546 00:21:37,230 --> 00:21:35,920 maybe if we at least screen these people 547 00:21:40,410 --> 00:21:37,240 a little better we wouldn't have these 548 00:21:42,780 --> 00:21:40,420 problems but I don't I just think our 549 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:42,790 government is just I have no faith in 550 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:45,730 them well you remember any groups that 551 00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:47,710 were into conspiracies 552 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:49,870 right back then or is it just stuff you 553 00:21:54,510 --> 00:21:50,710 did by yourself 554 00:21:56,970 --> 00:21:54,520 oh yeah mostly mostly stuff that I did 555 00:21:58,650 --> 00:21:56,980 brother stuff I think I was uh there was 556 00:22:00,480 --> 00:21:58,660 another site that I would post on once 557 00:22:03,330 --> 00:22:00,490 in a while and in New Zealand called the 558 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:03,340 contrail but they'd posted just about 559 00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:05,110 everything over there I would say that 560 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:08,230 was pretty much the only know who's know 561 00:22:12,210 --> 00:22:10,570 groups I'm I'm not a group person anyway 562 00:22:14,690 --> 00:22:12,220 all right it's what about people you 563 00:22:16,879 --> 00:22:14,700 know in in real life like 564 00:22:19,609 --> 00:22:16,889 Florida other other people that you know 565 00:22:20,899 --> 00:22:19,619 who are into conspiracies yeah there's 566 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:20,909 quite a few it was a guy in the other 567 00:22:25,399 --> 00:22:23,369 day and older guys probably like 75 568 00:22:27,379 --> 00:22:25,409 years old yeah I've met quite a few I've 569 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:27,389 met a couple people from Canada and a 570 00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:29,609 lot of older guys in their 70s that 571 00:22:33,499 --> 00:22:31,830 still you know what Canadian supposedly 572 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:33,509 he knew all this stuff about he said he 573 00:22:36,919 --> 00:22:34,710 was with the Canadian government all 574 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:36,929 this stuff about chemtrails and all this 575 00:22:40,580 --> 00:22:38,850 other stuff but he never produced any 576 00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,590 anything I told well come back but I 577 00:22:43,849 --> 00:22:42,960 think he was just a little eccentric in 578 00:22:47,779 --> 00:22:43,859 a way hmm 579 00:22:49,879 --> 00:22:47,789 yeah you get that sometimes yeah I 580 00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:49,889 always say this there's eccentric people 581 00:22:53,859 --> 00:22:51,419 who believe in conspiracies and 582 00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:53,869 eccentric people who don't just because 583 00:22:58,849 --> 00:22:56,039 someone's eccentric he doesn't mean that 584 00:23:01,099 --> 00:22:58,859 that conspiracy theory is wrong yeah 585 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:01,109 yeah obviously you're gonna get a whole 586 00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,850 range of people's and then look the more 587 00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:05,039 extreme the conspiracy theory is then 588 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:07,080 yeah the more likely you're going to get 589 00:23:09,470 --> 00:23:08,970 people who a little bit a little bit 590 00:23:12,499 --> 00:23:09,480 eccentric 591 00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:12,509 yeah I had I had a gentleman the other 592 00:23:17,779 --> 00:23:14,460 day and it's because I own a business so 593 00:23:19,609 --> 00:23:17,789 I see a lot of people and he started and 594 00:23:21,769 --> 00:23:19,619 we were talking politics and all that 595 00:23:23,479 --> 00:23:21,779 and he didn't seem like he trusted Trump 596 00:23:25,940 --> 00:23:23,489 months but I don't think he trusts 597 00:23:27,879 --> 00:23:25,950 anybody and and he was started on 9/11 598 00:23:29,899 --> 00:23:27,889 because I got like a lot of 9/11 599 00:23:34,669 --> 00:23:29,909 memorabilia and stuff like that I'm 600 00:23:37,159 --> 00:23:34,679 around my shop all right and he and he 601 00:23:40,399 --> 00:23:37,169 started you know yeah I mean he was kind 602 00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:40,409 of far out there you blame in Israel you 603 00:23:45,859 --> 00:23:43,799 know for 9/11 and I don't yeah unless 604 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:45,869 you've got unless you got evidence 605 00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:47,850 it's just nothing there as far as I'm 606 00:23:51,379 --> 00:23:49,590 concerned it's just you know that's why 607 00:23:54,259 --> 00:23:51,389 I spent so long just looking and looking 608 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:54,269 and pretty much I came up dry I couldn't 609 00:23:59,479 --> 00:23:57,690 find no evidence for it and used to 610 00:24:03,680 --> 00:23:59,489 really pissed me off sometimes because 611 00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,690 you really made me work hard so you 612 00:24:08,419 --> 00:24:05,279 would try and catch it without a video 613 00:24:10,369 --> 00:24:08,429 and we don't eat you know I mean it's 614 00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,379 just it's just like you if there was 615 00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:12,480 some evidence tomorrow on a conspiracy 616 00:24:16,340 --> 00:24:14,220 that came out you would probably agree 617 00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:16,350 if it was a hundred percent factual 618 00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:17,720 evidence if there was evidence yeah 619 00:24:22,999 --> 00:24:19,980 obviously those real conspiracies that 620 00:24:26,479 --> 00:24:23,009 go on all the time and in government and 621 00:24:28,690 --> 00:24:26,489 in industry and all over the place yeah 622 00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,700 no we're saying there's no conspiracy 623 00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:30,960 well it was like they say steel doesn't 624 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:33,960 melt it whatever you from jet fuel basic 625 00:24:40,460 --> 00:24:37,770 yeah it doesn't say but it does get 626 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:40,470 softer so it doesn't say does always 627 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:42,570 wandered up at that up at that height of 628 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:44,730 the building would a hole through the 629 00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:47,730 building and that wind must be because 630 00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:49,320 I've been on top of World Trade Center 631 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:51,419 it's pretty windy up there with that 632 00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:53,370 wouldn't that add to that that went 633 00:24:57,380 --> 00:24:55,140 blowing because it wasn't it penetrated 634 00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,390 completely if I believe they had jet in 635 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:00,240 just profound you know on the other side 636 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:01,650 yeah definitely 637 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:04,290 wouldn't that wind blow would do they're 638 00:25:08,780 --> 00:25:06,570 just increase the heat absolutely and 639 00:25:10,580 --> 00:25:08,790 you can you can kind of see that in some 640 00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:10,590 of the pictures you can see the flames 641 00:25:15,169 --> 00:25:13,080 kind of been blown out of the windows so 642 00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,179 you having a good air supply is 643 00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:17,120 obviously a very important for a fire 644 00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:20,220 from the fires point of view and you see 645 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:21,660 that on building seven as well because 646 00:25:27,380 --> 00:25:23,910 all the windows on the south side of the 647 00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:27,390 building we're all smashed out yeah they 648 00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:28,919 don't show you that very often the 649 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:31,470 collision theorists that's kind of 650 00:25:35,299 --> 00:25:33,210 changed my mind when I seen those newer 651 00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,309 pictures of building seven and I was 652 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:37,679 like because it looked a lot worse then 653 00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:41,130 you where we see Paul zone we see it 654 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:42,390 from the side where doesn't look like 655 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:43,890 there's any damage yeah it's a steroid 656 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:45,690 damage because the the damage on that 657 00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:48,090 side from that point of view is actually 658 00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:49,799 hidden behind the buildings that are in 659 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:52,620 front of it and all the real damage is 660 00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:54,090 on the other side which is where World 661 00:25:59,360 --> 00:25:55,830 Trade Center one actually essentially 662 00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,370 fell almost on top of it I I think I'm 663 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:01,440 sure yeah I got that piece of paper from 664 00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:03,210 the World Trade Center come on 665 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:05,070 brother-in-law yeah yeah and then the 666 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:07,260 part it has a lot it had a lot of the 667 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:09,690 powder in the bottom still long it looks 668 00:26:13,340 --> 00:26:11,580 like pumice and I remember taking I 669 00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:13,350 remember taking it torch to that nothing 670 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:16,169 burned in there so I was like yeah 671 00:26:20,270 --> 00:26:18,570 interesting so you still have that yes 672 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,280 man busy paper so you've actually got 673 00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:21,840 some of the famous World Trade Center 674 00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:24,990 dust yeah yeah because it's still it's 675 00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:26,760 still it's in a ziplock bag Oh 676 00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:28,919 interesting that's you know it's a big 677 00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:31,950 big points of conflicts with people like 678 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:34,140 it's just now assist like they say they 679 00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:36,809 look at it and they find these red/gray 680 00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:40,470 flakes which they say are you know third 681 00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:41,940 light 682 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:44,500 was a lot of asbestos in the building 683 00:26:49,499 --> 00:26:47,110 they were yeah they were removing the 684 00:26:50,639 --> 00:26:49,509 asbestos in the building that was still 685 00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,649 going on they said that was going to 686 00:26:53,970 --> 00:26:52,240 take like so many years to do it 687 00:26:55,980 --> 00:26:53,980 so that's why all these guys got the 911 688 00:26:58,799 --> 00:26:55,990 sickness and all the O's but that's what 689 00:27:00,389 --> 00:26:58,809 killed my my brother-in-law you know 690 00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:00,399 because he was there on the cleanup and 691 00:27:03,450 --> 00:27:01,990 everything else and well he wasn't just 692 00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:03,460 there in the clue he was there after 693 00:27:08,869 --> 00:27:06,340 they collapsed though yeah so I guess 694 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:08,879 you're a supporting John Stewart now I 695 00:27:15,899 --> 00:27:11,970 yeah oh yeah I give him credit yeah he 696 00:27:18,779 --> 00:27:15,909 he'd he did pretty good and and most 697 00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:18,789 conservatives did to look a little rush 698 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:20,169 limbaugh would say the same thing you 699 00:27:24,779 --> 00:27:21,370 know I don't really agree with this guy 700 00:27:28,019 --> 00:27:24,789 anytime but he was 100% correct not so 701 00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:28,029 you know see sometimes they feel good 702 00:27:34,350 --> 00:27:31,929 that you know that my same drug law he 703 00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:34,360 was also and you can read he was also 704 00:27:42,779 --> 00:27:38,470 the resource officer down at Marjory 705 00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:42,789 Stoneman Douglas high school hmm wasn't 706 00:27:46,590 --> 00:27:44,440 he he was good friends with the coach 707 00:27:48,869 --> 00:27:46,600 which was the old stuck because there's 708 00:27:52,769 --> 00:27:48,879 a write-up on him oh then with the 709 00:27:54,539 --> 00:27:52,779 shooting was yeah if there's an article 710 00:27:56,940 --> 00:27:54,549 in The Daily Beast about coach and he 711 00:27:59,399 --> 00:27:56,950 talks about my brother-in-law Richard 712 00:28:00,779 --> 00:27:59,409 went basically right now you know and 713 00:28:02,460 --> 00:28:00,789 they were like best friends and he wound 714 00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,470 up being the only hero on the end and of 715 00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:04,720 course because he does a nine he didn't 716 00:28:10,499 --> 00:28:08,169 9/11 video from the high school okay 717 00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:10,509 yeah wait he and he spoke about the 718 00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:12,220 building falling and all that and what 719 00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:14,620 he did and everything so it was pretty 720 00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:17,350 interesting yeah it's kind of weird how 721 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:20,169 yeah I think like you having someone who 722 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:22,690 was actually there is a good kind of 723 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:24,730 antidote in a way to the conspiracy 724 00:28:29,490 --> 00:28:27,970 theories yeah a lot of people they yet 725 00:28:32,129 --> 00:28:29,500 some people doubt that it even happened 726 00:28:34,529 --> 00:28:32,139 at all and obviously there was tens of 727 00:28:36,419 --> 00:28:34,539 thousands of witnesses and yeah hundreds 728 00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,429 of thousands of witnesses in New York 729 00:28:41,850 --> 00:28:38,399 which is pretty ridiculous 730 00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:41,860 but you know it's if someone that you 731 00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:43,870 personally knew was involved in it like 732 00:28:49,950 --> 00:28:46,960 like I my father-in-law was running in 733 00:28:52,049 --> 00:28:49,960 the Boston Marathon when the bomb the 734 00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:52,059 bombs went off and he was just five 735 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:53,830 minutes away from the finish line and 736 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:55,090 then so he could 737 00:28:59,880 --> 00:28:56,890 quite easily being caught up in it so I 738 00:29:02,550 --> 00:28:59,890 think just knowing the reality of it 739 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:02,560 really can immunize issue against some 740 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:05,290 other conspiracy conspiracy but with the 741 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:07,450 Boston bombing I don't remember any year 742 00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:09,610 oh yeah like people people thought that 743 00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,380 it was it was staged and that that it 744 00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:16,720 was fake blood and people they use 745 00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,190 people who were amputees and they yeah 746 00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:23,440 like the Sandy Hook in you know pretty 747 00:29:29,820 --> 00:29:26,620 ridiculous but so yeah obviously some 748 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:29,830 people believe it sir well yeah that's 749 00:29:37,550 --> 00:29:31,780 pretty sad to the victims or the victims 750 00:29:42,270 --> 00:29:37,560 families anyone fair let's talk about I 751 00:29:46,170 --> 00:29:42,280 the cliven Bundy and the Bundy gang and 752 00:29:48,030 --> 00:29:46,180 lavoy finicum in Oregon this is 753 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:48,040 something that you I think you know you 754 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:50,770 guys fault yeah yeah you followed that 755 00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:52,930 because you've mentioned it on medical 756 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:55,060 because we talked a bit about the lavoy 757 00:30:00,300 --> 00:29:57,250 finicum Isis true remind people real 758 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:00,310 quick there was a standoff where a bunch 759 00:30:06,810 --> 00:30:03,610 of protesters I guess headed by the 760 00:30:08,370 --> 00:30:06,820 Bundy people it was a yeah 761 00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:08,380 occupied a federal building which was 762 00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:11,380 just it was just a Park Rangers office I 763 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:14,680 think Wildlife Refuge do something yeah 764 00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:19,330 yeah and there was a big standoff and it 765 00:30:24,210 --> 00:30:21,310 kind of culminated and this one guy 766 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:24,220 getting shot after he driven away and 767 00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:26,110 they'd followed him and he he got out in 768 00:30:30,690 --> 00:30:28,270 the snow and it wasn't clear whether he 769 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:30,700 was raising his hands or reaching for a 770 00:30:39,180 --> 00:30:34,690 gun yeah and he got shot by by the 771 00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:39,190 police and that was a big deal and it 772 00:30:46,530 --> 00:30:42,460 harkens back to things like the Ruby 773 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:46,540 Ridge incident and they what's the other 774 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:51,010 one they Waco yeah so and it has become 775 00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,650 part of this kind of know exactly 776 00:30:58,910 --> 00:30:55,840 mythology but you know these these these 777 00:31:03,000 --> 00:30:58,920 things that are used to stir up feelings 778 00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:03,010 okay that's one inch incident happened 779 00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,420 and that that's the reason for that is 780 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:06,880 they didn't they used Waco and Ruby 781 00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:08,770 Ridge as we can 782 00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:10,390 has happened so if all these lawn guys 783 00:31:15,210 --> 00:31:12,820 go there he just can't come down on them 784 00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:15,220 and and do that because you know I mean 785 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:18,910 it's bad press yeah I mean as much as a 786 00:31:24,930 --> 00:31:20,650 David Koresh you know he was a little 787 00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:24,940 out there but that is a big mistake in 788 00:31:28,890 --> 00:31:26,590 our country you know that shouldn't 789 00:31:30,420 --> 00:31:28,900 happen yeah yeah and I've changed the 790 00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:30,430 policy a lot since then so it's very 791 00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:34,480 much now like wait wait them out which 792 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:36,790 is whipping which is what they did well 793 00:31:42,260 --> 00:31:39,850 they pretty much did that in Nevada was 794 00:31:44,340 --> 00:31:42,270 Nevada the original Bundy thing that was 795 00:31:46,830 --> 00:31:44,350 liven was the patriarch of the family 796 00:31:48,390 --> 00:31:46,840 there and they were he had some kind of 797 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:48,400 dispute with the government over grazing 798 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:50,890 rights yeah and they were worried about 799 00:31:57,150 --> 00:31:53,410 the government had moved in the BLM had 800 00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:57,160 moved in to basically take his movies 801 00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,170 cattle or confiscate something and there 802 00:32:03,780 --> 00:32:01,360 was kind of an armed standoff at the 803 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:03,790 time yeah because I guess fell he was 804 00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:06,490 there his family was there for hundreds 805 00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:08,500 of years hundred and seven years or 806 00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:10,630 whatever it was and they never had to 807 00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:13,080 deal with the grazing rights 808 00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:15,550 yeah actually had the what was it the 809 00:32:19,530 --> 00:32:17,710 Center for Biological Diversity they 810 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:19,540 seem to be the instigators and a lot of 811 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:21,130 these you know because they're like an 812 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:23,890 environmental group see the instigators 813 00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,110 and all and then the one up and Oregon 814 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:28,000 and one down there too I guess they feel 815 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:31,510 that a desert tortoise is more important 816 00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,490 than a cow but I think rank I think 817 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:35,200 Bundy was like the last rancher in that 818 00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:36,970 area they pretty much pushed everybody 819 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:41,800 else out yeah so like with the this type 820 00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:45,850 of thing with people protesting against 821 00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:50,790 the government do you think that they 822 00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:53,470 you think it's like a serious thing in 823 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:55,000 that there's a real risk that the 824 00:33:01,260 --> 00:32:58,210 government is going to do something that 825 00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:01,270 these people need to be aware of like 826 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:03,070 you think that actually there's going to 827 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,490 be a a major event or do you think it's 828 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:08,320 just care of this creeping encroachment 829 00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:12,010 upon people's rights I think we want to 830 00:33:16,830 --> 00:33:14,740 stop I I think we want to stop a major 831 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:16,840 event from happening and these little 832 00:33:22,019 --> 00:33:19,690 incidents knowing that you know knowing 833 00:33:23,879 --> 00:33:22,029 that people are gonna 834 00:33:25,950 --> 00:33:23,889 I would say go to the rescue or 835 00:33:28,529 --> 00:33:25,960 something but just show up the back 836 00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:28,539 people might stop it we just don't want 837 00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:32,820 another wake up yeah no I saw in your 838 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:35,919 Twitter feed I think and I saw you had a 839 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:40,809 lavoy finicum 3% sticky you Percy I 840 00:33:44,970 --> 00:33:42,370 think it was a response that you did it 841 00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:44,980 to somebody else who was saying like you 842 00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:46,120 know we have to do something for the 843 00:33:49,860 --> 00:33:47,980 about the NRA and you responded like 844 00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:49,870 it's not going to happen and you posted 845 00:33:53,789 --> 00:33:50,289 this 846 00:33:55,409 --> 00:33:53,799 lavoy finicum 3% thing can you explain 847 00:33:58,220 --> 00:33:55,419 what the three three percents thing 848 00:34:00,570 --> 00:33:58,230 means the three percent is the militia 849 00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,580 is what that is that was the militia 850 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:03,360 that was at the table in the Oregon 851 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:06,730 standoff basically unit it's just 852 00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:08,169 something I just throw out once in a 853 00:34:15,149 --> 00:34:11,190 while I don't belong to any militias 854 00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:15,159 like I says I don't join drupes yeah you 855 00:34:19,859 --> 00:34:17,409 know I'm not a I'm kind of an individual 856 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:19,869 but doing do I support the militia yes I 857 00:34:26,129 --> 00:34:23,010 do yeah do you have bumper stickers oh 858 00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,139 just on my pickup truck alright I have 859 00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:28,480 an old pickup truck that I used to you 860 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:30,220 know when I got to go to Home Depot and 861 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:32,290 stuff like that it's got stickers all 862 00:34:41,399 --> 00:34:34,510 over it you know you saw some old 863 00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:41,409 chemtrail stickers on their nose anyways 864 00:34:47,369 --> 00:34:45,159 yeah I asked about bumper stickers cuz 865 00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:47,379 there's a friend of mine here in 866 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:51,119 California and he's very concerned about 867 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:55,810 militias I guess and about people you 868 00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:57,490 know kind of a trend in society to be 869 00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:01,119 very polarized and he says that he sees 870 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:08,880 similar types of things like per a 871 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:10,450 malicious stuff like Second Amendment 872 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:13,210 things and he feels like this this kind 873 00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:17,650 of I know this this kind of increasingly 874 00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:22,180 widening gulf between what he sees as 875 00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:25,569 the more easygoing America and a more 876 00:35:33,089 --> 00:35:30,880 hardcore violent is annoying things well 877 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:33,099 if you remember in Oregon there was a 878 00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:35,850 lot of 3% militia there even after 879 00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:38,950 lavoy got killed and and and the Bundys 880 00:35:43,410 --> 00:35:41,260 got arrested man they still had the 881 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:43,420 people there and what happened with them 882 00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:45,970 uh they arrested a few of them and there 883 00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:47,740 was there was no shoot there was no 884 00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:49,180 shooting even after the boy got killed 885 00:35:56,670 --> 00:35:53,680 yeah oh it's it's I don't think it's hey 886 00:35:58,650 --> 00:35:56,680 I don't think we've gotten to that point 887 00:36:02,070 --> 00:35:58,660 where it's where it's that bad where I'd 888 00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:02,080 worry about it basically it could but 889 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,390 you'd have to have something pretty bad 890 00:36:10,290 --> 00:36:06,640 I you know a lot of people would have to 891 00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:10,300 get shot or killed before I think any 892 00:36:13,050 --> 00:36:11,440 moments you would do anything and I 893 00:36:15,930 --> 00:36:13,060 think most of the guys in joining 894 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:15,940 militia you know like I said I've never 895 00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:19,030 been been in the militia you don't think 896 00:36:23,340 --> 00:36:21,580 I would but do you have delicious there 897 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:23,350 in Florida every semester 898 00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:25,330 oh I bet there's a lot of me this quite 899 00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:28,030 a few but we it's just like we clear the 900 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:28,990 left 901 00:36:37,110 --> 00:36:35,050 via the militia interesting so what what 902 00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:37,120 do you fear from about the left for do 903 00:36:41,850 --> 00:36:38,910 you think the left is going to do but 904 00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:41,860 just that what our PC culture basically 905 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:45,280 you know and and how this country is 906 00:36:51,090 --> 00:36:48,310 being changed how you can't you can't 907 00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:51,100 say things these days or you know guys 908 00:36:56,430 --> 00:36:53,940 can't refuse to bake cakes for certain 909 00:36:58,530 --> 00:36:56,440 people have sexual preference for some 910 00:37:00,180 --> 00:36:58,540 reason without getting sued especially 911 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:00,190 when they're just being targeted by 912 00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:03,250 these people to you know just it's 913 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:05,860 officer laws I think there was a case 914 00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:09,370 yesterday in Ohio where it was a store 915 00:37:13,830 --> 00:37:10,900 that's been around for like I think they 916 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:13,840 said for generations and he had a group 917 00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:15,730 of young african-american kings that 918 00:37:20,250 --> 00:37:16,870 went in there and I guess they went to 919 00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:20,260 buy liquor well the owner refused them 920 00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:23,680 because they had fake ID one of them had 921 00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:27,640 walked out with liquor bottle money they 922 00:37:31,980 --> 00:37:29,470 belonged to his University I guess these 923 00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,990 kids so they said they got arrested and 924 00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:33,280 everything but then they wanted the 925 00:37:36,450 --> 00:37:35,020 University started back in these kids 926 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:36,460 and they kept having these protests out 927 00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:38,410 in front of this this person's store in 928 00:37:42,570 --> 00:37:39,640 Ohio that's been there for all these 929 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:42,580 generations well yesterday the the store 930 00:37:46,770 --> 00:37:45,880 won a lawsuit against this College 931 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:46,780 because it was the college 932 00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:48,130 administrators and that basically 933 00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:49,780 everybody in the college 934 00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:52,270 you know destroying the reputation of 935 00:37:56,070 --> 00:37:54,580 this bakery or I think it was it could 936 00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:56,080 have been a bakery I forgot what it was 937 00:38:01,200 --> 00:37:58,810 but it was a because they don't sell 938 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:01,210 liquor I like a coming in so maybe yes 939 00:38:03,810 --> 00:38:02,650 something like but I forgot what kind of 940 00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:03,820 store it was but they they just 941 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:07,000 destroyed their business basic because 942 00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,090 of lies because everything you know it's 943 00:38:13,650 --> 00:38:11,920 like you got a shooting in what was it 944 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:13,660 there was a shooting in Tennessee 945 00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,130 Memphis Tennessee you heard about that 946 00:38:20,430 --> 00:38:17,200 one no uh-uh 947 00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:20,440 well they might have done but yeah okay 948 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:23,380 and now there's riot some of that you 949 00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:26,650 know supposedly he tried to run the US 950 00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:29,500 Marshals over with his car okay well the 951 00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,720 gun actually he died but they leave up 952 00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,520 you know what they're not saying is he 953 00:38:38,340 --> 00:38:35,920 stole some guys car matter of fact that 954 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:38,350 was supposedly the car he was in when 955 00:38:42,930 --> 00:38:41,290 the cops shot him basically and he shot 956 00:38:45,780 --> 00:38:42,940 the guy five times that he stole his car 957 00:38:47,490 --> 00:38:45,790 so you know and then the media if you 958 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:47,500 listen to the media they just twisted 959 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:50,710 everything so this do mean the media's 960 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:53,770 our biggest the way they report stories 961 00:38:57,810 --> 00:38:56,530 it's just it's just messed up really in 962 00:39:00,510 --> 00:38:57,820 the school I gotta say like you know I 963 00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:00,520 was looking at your face your Twitter 964 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:02,710 fitting again and they were like a bunch 965 00:39:06,810 --> 00:39:04,330 of stories like the ones you just told 966 00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:06,820 me there and I know a lot of people 967 00:39:11,250 --> 00:39:09,160 would say that yes like just looking 968 00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:11,260 through your Twitter feed that it seems 969 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:13,870 like it's racist and that you seem to be 970 00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:15,970 like putting a lot of yeah like here's 971 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:18,580 some black people doing these crimes and 972 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:20,890 there's there's lots of that like yeah 973 00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:22,690 how would you respond to like you know 974 00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:25,470 someone saying that yeah you're a racist 975 00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:27,700 know what I wouldn't respond because 976 00:39:31,950 --> 00:39:29,320 that's the losing part of the argument 977 00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:31,960 when they you know basically these are 978 00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:34,960 so these are basically would all this 979 00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,280 criminal justice reform and it just it's 980 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:41,920 it's on how they they make it seem like 981 00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,690 this certain group of people is being 982 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:45,760 picked on by the police and we're 983 00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:48,310 holding back when if you look at 984 00:39:56,190 --> 00:39:51,900 statistics statistics say otherwise 985 00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:56,200 over fifty percent of all violent crime 986 00:40:01,290 --> 00:39:58,260 is committed by young black males 987 00:40:01,970 --> 00:40:01,300 between the age of like 14 I think it is 988 00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:01,980 and 989 00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:04,380 twice which makes up 8% of the 990 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:10,830 population now that's probably why this 991 00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:13,290 there's so many problems in the 992 00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:15,180 community now I don't want it I don't 993 00:40:19,099 --> 00:40:17,700 want it to be that way it was like it 994 00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:19,109 was like with that kid that was shot 995 00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:20,790 brand new wherever was his name on 996 00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:22,260 Twitter now I was on that and I was 997 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:23,700 arguing with people and it's like 998 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:26,010 they're all defending this kid who's a 999 00:40:31,070 --> 00:40:28,890 criminal and this is why the next kid 1000 00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:31,080 they're gonna emulate this kid and put 1001 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:32,760 him on a pedestal like he's a hero and 1002 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:33,690 he's not a hero 1003 00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:36,210 and then the next kid's gonna wind up 1004 00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:38,580 the same way and I don't want that no 1005 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,140 matter what color anybody is but that's 1006 00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,760 the problem is every time there's a 1007 00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:43,440 criminal that shot and they go out of 1008 00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,060 their way to put him up on this pedestal 1009 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:46,800 that he was this angel and everything 1010 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:49,250 and all these other kids look up to him 1011 00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:51,210 what's gonna happen you're just gonna 1012 00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,940 get more kids like that Karl it really 1013 00:41:00,020 --> 00:40:56,160 doesn't matter because I I i seem have 1014 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:00,030 no problem with you know i don't have 1015 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:01,770 any problem with anybody of any color 1016 00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:03,810 basically i just have problems primrose 1017 00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:08,670 that's all and you you think that the 1018 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:11,700 social justice people are like kind of 1019 00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:13,890 getting it wrong they're getting it 1020 00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,880 wrong they're basically i would say in a 1021 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:19,680 sense they enable them basically and it 1022 00:41:24,590 --> 00:41:21,930 just makes me they're defending them you 1023 00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:24,600 know it's just like if you had if you 1024 00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:26,820 had a kid of your own and he kept doing 1025 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:29,760 wrong and you kept say no it's not his 1026 00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:31,410 fault everything else he's not gonna get 1027 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:34,380 any better you know it says tiny they're 1028 00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:36,530 not do you think there's nothing behind 1029 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:40,700 this this is kind of like you know these 1030 00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:44,490 you know the black lives matter versus 1031 00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:47,220 blues like oh that's a insensitive yeah 1032 00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:49,380 like some kind of ultimate agenda from 1033 00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:52,710 from your perspective well I wasn't in 1034 00:41:58,570 --> 00:41:55,320 sorrows he you know he's naturally our 1035 00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:58,580 nemesis you know Soros funded a lot 1036 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:01,619 yeah chaos chaos in the street you know 1037 00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:03,450 something that kind of sounds a bit like 1038 00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:07,440 a conspiracy theory every like that well 1039 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:11,190 and read rules for radicals soul is he 1040 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:14,010 uh I think I've read bits of it because 1041 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:15,570 you mentioned it before 1042 00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:20,250 yeah years ago and I think I think the 1043 00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:22,140 last presidential candidate that lost 1044 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:23,640 that forgot what her name was 1045 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:25,770 I think she did her college thesis on 1046 00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,850 that well basically what are we doing we 1047 00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:31,200 have riots in the street 1048 00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:35,280 we got an open border look at California 1049 00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:36,900 now you live in California which the 1050 00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,700 population California doubled since I 1051 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:40,560 lived there yeah it's pretty big 1052 00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:42,450 don't worry it's like like 50 million or 1053 00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:45,390 something like that yeah I think for 40 1054 00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:47,310 plus million I think it was but when I I 1055 00:42:53,090 --> 00:42:50,790 was there it was 20 million yeah I 1056 00:42:55,070 --> 00:42:53,100 thought it was proud and then they're so 1057 00:42:55,850 --> 00:42:55,080 worried about the water oh we don't have 1058 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:55,860 enough water 1059 00:42:59,360 --> 00:42:57,690 well you just build your population and 1060 00:43:01,100 --> 00:42:59,370 you got wide open waters I don't have 1061 00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:01,110 any ships water with everybody 1062 00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:03,900 it just doesn't you know it doesn't make 1063 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:05,460 any sense why would you want it why 1064 00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:08,850 would you want to import people why 1065 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:10,140 would you want to poor people from the 1066 00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:14,010 most dangerous parts of the world which 1067 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:16,020 is Central America you look at the crime 1068 00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:18,690 rate in El Salvador Guatemala I mean 1069 00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:20,190 those are the most dangerous places on 1070 00:43:24,020 --> 00:43:22,260 the planet and yeah have you looked at 1071 00:43:26,290 --> 00:43:24,030 the statistics there cuz I think like 1072 00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:26,300 when you look at the crime rates amongst 1073 00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:28,470 immigrants regardlessly whether the 1074 00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:30,540 legal are illegal they tend to commit 1075 00:43:36,220 --> 00:43:33,240 less crimes than people who are not 1076 00:43:38,890 --> 00:43:36,230 we've been the same demographic but 1077 00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,900 actual American citizens 1078 00:43:43,940 --> 00:43:41,760 yeah that's that's pretty much with you 1079 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:43,950 but why shouldn't the import inium yeah 1080 00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:45,930 it will actually reduce the crime rate 1081 00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:48,540 on average if we if we put this people 1082 00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:50,670 right up there trying to stay on the 1083 00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:54,390 good side of the law so it's anyway this 1084 00:43:59,480 --> 00:43:57,420 is a probably a more involved discussion 1085 00:44:00,410 --> 00:43:59,490 than we need to have yeah let the like 1086 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:00,420 it's interesting that you're talking 1087 00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:03,090 about George Soros like because that is 1088 00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:06,630 kind of you know I guess it is kind of a 1089 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:09,120 conspiracy yes what are they trying to 1090 00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:10,130 do 1091 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:18,720 and it's why it's quite obvious what 1092 00:44:23,890 --> 00:44:21,090 what is that open society and what's 1093 00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:23,900 that all about and one world government 1094 00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,000 all right so this is I mean no borders 1095 00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:29,760 that's what he wants the problem is 1096 00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:31,260 you take a country like ours and you 1097 00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:32,640 just opened the borders and what are we 1098 00:44:35,170 --> 00:44:34,500 gonna become just another third-world 1099 00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:35,180 country 1100 00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:38,190 so you think how does how does the black 1101 00:44:43,090 --> 00:44:41,190 lives matter tie into that it's it's 1102 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:43,100 just part of it it's just chaos 1103 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:45,690 basically but they've kind of died off 1104 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:48,450 now you don't you don't see them as much 1105 00:44:52,850 --> 00:44:50,850 now that you don't have Barack Obama 1106 00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:52,860 supporting them and everything if you 1107 00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:54,470 remember when he was in office basically 1108 00:44:59,240 --> 00:44:56,700 every time every time somebody got shot 1109 00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:59,250 they were there stopping people you know 1110 00:45:03,610 --> 00:45:01,140 stop and closing up freeways and stuff 1111 00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:03,620 anybody else did that we'd be arrested 1112 00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:06,030 so you know you think what do you think 1113 00:45:10,210 --> 00:45:07,470 do you think it's died off then they 1114 00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:10,220 have the BLM stuff black lives matter 1115 00:45:15,830 --> 00:45:13,470 quite a bit yeah yeah and life you think 1116 00:45:20,110 --> 00:45:15,840 that's because I don't know George Soros 1117 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:20,120 I ordered it or just because it's I do i 1118 00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:23,370 I I would say was the change in the 1119 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:25,380 White House basically the why would that 1120 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:28,770 actually have an effect on the yeah our 1121 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:30,570 sister I don't know because you don't 1122 00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,570 you don't you don't hear about I haven't 1123 00:45:36,830 --> 00:45:35,280 you know other than this the shooting in 1124 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:36,840 Tennessee do their to the other thing 1125 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:38,490 you don't really hear about it as much 1126 00:45:42,170 --> 00:45:40,650 it doesn't seem like thing you don't see 1127 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:42,180 it on the media as much matter of fact I 1128 00:45:46,810 --> 00:45:44,490 haven't even seen that on let's say CNN 1129 00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:46,820 or anything else like he did Mike Brown 1130 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:49,680 you know remember Mike Brown yeah yeah 1131 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:53,130 they're not Latin for some reason it it 1132 00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:55,650 just doesn't it never makes the media 1133 00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:58,260 for some reason well you remember when 1134 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:01,020 Mike Brown was shot I was a st. Louis 1135 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:02,940 I think that caused the biggest riots 1136 00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,890 esslyn dear a mixed whatever his name 1137 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:07,680 showed up on the scene and he and and 1138 00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:08,970 that's where his money was coming from 1139 00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,670 he was getting funded you know he was 1140 00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:13,200 getting funded by source and then it was 1141 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:15,510 less than a week later there was a kid 1142 00:46:22,850 --> 00:46:18,810 named Dylan Taylor who was shot I 1143 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:22,860 believe in Utah and I mean he clearly 1144 00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:24,930 did do nothing but he was trying he was 1145 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:27,300 reaching for he had headphones on and he 1146 00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,570 was reaching to turn down the volume on 1147 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:32,640 whatever he had and he got shot and died 1148 00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:34,290 right there and spot that never made the 1149 00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:36,540 media at all other than in Utah and if 1150 00:46:40,850 --> 00:46:38,460 the cop got away with that was their 1151 00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,860 bucket it's a black kid no he wasn't 1152 00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,520 that's why you know it's like not even 1153 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:45,680 we got the mic round if you look up 1154 00:46:49,390 --> 00:46:47,330 Dylan tell there's a video on YouTube 1155 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:49,400 basically you can see him you know he 1156 00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:51,050 was shot as supposedly he was a troubled 1157 00:46:55,690 --> 00:46:54,200 kid I think he was a white Hispanic 1158 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:55,700 pretty much you know it was a lake he 1159 00:46:59,680 --> 00:46:57,530 looked like a white kid but you know I 1160 00:47:02,260 --> 00:46:59,690 think they said he was a mix of whatever 1161 00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:02,270 mix with Hispanic and white as anymore I 1162 00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:04,190 don't even really know and there was no 1163 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:06,710 attention given so it's the media 1164 00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:09,170 manipulation at the time I think the 1165 00:47:13,660 --> 00:47:11,270 media focused more on all those stories 1166 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:13,670 and of course when the media gets there 1167 00:47:16,660 --> 00:47:15,050 like they did with Mike Brown they were 1168 00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,670 there all the time they were CNN and 1169 00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:18,560 everything it just made matters worse 1170 00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:21,920 basically and we had chaos when and it 1171 00:47:26,050 --> 00:47:24,470 seemed like one Trump gun elected there 1172 00:47:29,770 --> 00:47:26,060 wasn't much of that when's the last time 1173 00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,780 you've heard a BLM protest yeah I mean I 1174 00:47:34,210 --> 00:47:31,760 guess maybe it's just because they're on 1175 00:47:38,650 --> 00:47:34,220 I mean I think they've made your 1176 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:38,660 incidents like that yeah but they made 1177 00:47:43,330 --> 00:47:40,730 that Mike Brown wasn't a major incident 1178 00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:43,340 they just made it a major it was no more 1179 00:47:48,610 --> 00:47:45,110 of a major incident and than the one 1180 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:48,620 that happened in Tennessee I like they 1181 00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:50,570 say that I think the media just 1182 00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:54,260 manipulates everything you think Spira 1183 00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:56,540 see that I believe it right now yeah so 1184 00:48:02,650 --> 00:47:58,370 you you think like the the left-wing 1185 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:02,660 media like yes CNN I guess and MSNBC and 1186 00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,170 MSN and CBS you think that they are part 1187 00:48:13,630 --> 00:48:09,520 of the agenda like the Saurus agenda 1188 00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:13,640 yeah yeah I would say so so in a way 1189 00:48:16,990 --> 00:48:15,110 that part of the conspiracy 1190 00:48:19,390 --> 00:48:17,000 I don't be like putting a conspiracy 1191 00:48:22,420 --> 00:48:19,400 theory out there but but each state knit 1192 00:48:24,670 --> 00:48:22,430 Sun yeah so you think that CNN is part 1193 00:48:31,660 --> 00:48:24,680 of a plot to create what our world 1194 00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:31,670 government man maybe maybe just like 1195 00:48:38,110 --> 00:48:35,230 Democrats it's not light rapidity yeah 1196 00:48:40,030 --> 00:48:38,120 but you could have like earlier and 1197 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:40,040 immediate a are one party immediately 1198 00:48:46,180 --> 00:48:43,730 like some people think Fox Fox is but 1199 00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:46,190 Fox is other than what Tucker Carlson 1200 00:48:51,610 --> 00:48:48,340 Laura Ingraham and maybe Sean Hannity 1201 00:48:53,530 --> 00:48:51,620 you got but on Fox is nothing but a 1202 00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:53,540 bunch of never Trump purse or a bunch of 1203 00:48:57,220 --> 00:48:56,510 left wings on Fox cuz even Fox has 1204 00:48:59,680 --> 00:48:57,230 changed 1205 00:49:01,690 --> 00:48:59,690 so there really is I actually got to 1206 00:49:03,370 --> 00:49:01,700 watch like independent media you almost 1207 00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:03,380 have to go to Alec Jones to get the 1208 00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:06,830 truth and isn't that for me if if you 1209 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:09,110 can find them anymore so what do you 1210 00:49:14,770 --> 00:49:12,650 think of Russia's involvement in the 1211 00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:14,780 affairs of America in terms of yeah 1212 00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:16,750 Russia trying to stir things up 1213 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:19,910 that's the conspiracy theory that's the 1214 00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:22,370 biggest conspiracy you don't think 1215 00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,790 that's happened no I think they always 1216 00:49:29,290 --> 00:49:27,680 manipulate I think they always have just 1217 00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:29,300 like we do it everybody else's elections 1218 00:49:33,490 --> 00:49:31,310 just like we did in Ukraine's just like 1219 00:49:35,470 --> 00:49:33,500 we did in Israel not the last election 1220 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:35,480 with Netanyahu for the one previous to 1221 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:37,370 that now the sorrows money to that was 1222 00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:39,410 dumped into that I think they were had a 1223 00:49:42,730 --> 00:49:41,120 bunch of NGOs over there trying to 1224 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:42,740 defeat it because they wanted Netanyahu 1225 00:49:47,020 --> 00:49:44,810 out so why is it our country's allowed 1226 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:47,030 to interfere in these elections just 1227 00:49:51,010 --> 00:49:48,410 like we interfere in every country 1228 00:49:52,570 --> 00:49:51,020 well I don't feel out to do that and 1229 00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:52,580 then you get Russia and they put a 1230 00:49:56,770 --> 00:49:54,430 couple of Facebook ads on then you know 1231 00:50:00,700 --> 00:49:56,780 do you think that Russia should be 1232 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:00,710 allowed to interfere in the elections do 1233 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:02,450 I think they no I don't think I don't 1234 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:03,290 think they should be allowed to 1235 00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:04,970 interfere but if they can put some if 1236 00:50:09,010 --> 00:50:06,710 there's anything that they put up that's 1237 00:50:10,780 --> 00:50:09,020 factual it's just like Trump said the 1238 00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:10,790 other day if somebody comes up with some 1239 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:14,540 dirt I want votans III would take it so 1240 00:50:19,470 --> 00:50:16,970 what if Russia started spending like 1241 00:50:23,530 --> 00:50:19,480 hundreds of millions of dollars on 1242 00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:23,540 commercials on TV I supporting one 1243 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:26,300 candidate supporting one candidate you 1244 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:28,010 know I don't think I'd go for that 1245 00:50:32,350 --> 00:50:30,170 because I still I trust Russia a little 1246 00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:32,360 bit less than I do my I mean that's 1247 00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:33,880 that's definitely illegal 1248 00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:38,260 yeah I'm saying like as far as our RT 1249 00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,180 you know sometimes I'll see a video from 1250 00:50:44,980 --> 00:50:43,040 RT and they do some pretty pretty good 1251 00:50:47,470 --> 00:50:44,990 work I mean they're gonna say something 1252 00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,480 like is that propaganda they actually 1253 00:50:50,830 --> 00:50:49,760 see those favor the democrats more norty 1254 00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:50,840 than they do trump any 1255 00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,720 really yeah I guess you must watch more 1256 00:50:57,850 --> 00:50:56,480 RT than me I wouldn't say they you know 1257 00:51:00,040 --> 00:50:57,860 support Trump as such but they're 1258 00:51:03,490 --> 00:51:00,050 they're definitely a support Russia and 1259 00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:03,500 so whatever they're doing is trying to 1260 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:05,780 further the interests of Russia well 1261 00:51:09,550 --> 00:51:07,370 what's the difference between RT in 1262 00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:09,560 Russia and let's say CNN in the United 1263 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:10,940 States in a sense 1264 00:51:14,980 --> 00:51:13,250 mattias London where they buy the 1265 00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:14,990 Russian government is actually a state 1266 00:51:22,210 --> 00:51:19,420 me whereas CNN is an independent company 1267 00:51:24,579 --> 00:51:22,220 yeah it's the closest you have here to 1268 00:51:26,849 --> 00:51:24,589 state sponsors would be and then maybe 1269 00:51:28,329 --> 00:51:26,859 NPR because they get some grants but 1270 00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:28,339 they're not really 1271 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:32,000 yeah it doesn't mean that NPR is singing 1272 00:51:35,950 --> 00:51:33,650 the praises of Trump because they get 1273 00:51:38,770 --> 00:51:35,960 money from the government but artsy 1274 00:51:41,470 --> 00:51:38,780 definitely is Facebook and yet they get 1275 00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:41,480 money from a lot of companies NPR I 1276 00:51:44,890 --> 00:51:43,609 think they get where's Facebook I know 1277 00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:44,900 they give money from Facebook because 1278 00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,190 every time they mention it yeah 1279 00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:47,599 they have to put that little disclaimer 1280 00:51:51,730 --> 00:51:50,240 in there it's sponsored by yeah well 1281 00:51:53,230 --> 00:51:51,740 Facebook I've got a lot of money so I 1282 00:51:55,930 --> 00:51:53,240 guess they're just going right somewhere 1283 00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:55,940 and that's a and I don't trust Facebook 1284 00:51:59,680 --> 00:51:57,770 anymore either really yeah what do you 1285 00:52:03,280 --> 00:51:59,690 think about things like the the 1286 00:52:04,990 --> 00:52:03,290 censorship of of various people like 1287 00:52:06,490 --> 00:52:05,000 people of being deep platform like Alex 1288 00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,500 Jones obviously but there's there's 1289 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:08,000 other people who are less extreme than 1290 00:52:10,930 --> 00:52:08,569 him 1291 00:52:12,250 --> 00:52:10,940 yeah and now I've seen a lot I've seen a 1292 00:52:15,099 --> 00:52:12,260 lot of people just disappear from 1293 00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:15,109 Twitter altogether you know I I follow 1294 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:16,880 this one person who's on Twitter now and 1295 00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,690 she she had 250,000 followers all of a 1296 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:22,640 sudden she lost it like that and I 1297 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:23,930 couldn't figure it out but she never 1298 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:25,130 posts anything like that 1299 00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:27,290 I thought maybe because of her numbers 1300 00:52:31,089 --> 00:52:29,569 got so big but she may never get a 1301 00:52:34,059 --> 00:52:31,099 reason that naturally she started 1302 00:52:35,530 --> 00:52:34,069 another to Twitter it anyway and started 1303 00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,540 all over but it was just you know how do 1304 00:52:39,550 --> 00:52:37,520 you get that many followers and then for 1305 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:39,560 no reason at all you just do platform 1306 00:52:45,309 --> 00:52:42,410 completely what she have like a 1307 00:52:47,260 --> 00:52:45,319 far-right she's obviously so I would say 1308 00:52:49,329 --> 00:52:47,270 she's are on the right but I wouldn't 1309 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:49,339 say she's she's fall right I would say 1310 00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:51,890 far on the right as I and basically you 1311 00:52:58,990 --> 00:52:54,950 know yeah Twitter Twitter's a Twitter is 1312 00:53:00,760 --> 00:52:59,000 a weird platform you think like Silicon 1313 00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:00,770 Valley like the social media company is 1314 00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:04,609 a part of this kind of trend you talk 1315 00:53:10,990 --> 00:53:08,569 about like the Saurus world government I 1316 00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,000 think they're all just left-wing and 1317 00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:12,800 that's where I'm on it and that's where 1318 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:16,880 and I believe coming up to the 2020 2020 1319 00:53:19,780 --> 00:53:18,410 elections they're gonna want do we 1320 00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:19,790 they're gonna purge a lot more people 1321 00:53:24,940 --> 00:53:22,670 right so from the from Facebook and my 1322 00:53:26,740 --> 00:53:24,950 Twitter and yeah from the 1323 00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:26,750 and you know I mean it's just like on 1324 00:53:31,810 --> 00:53:29,839 YouTube now if you if you even see a 1325 00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:31,820 video on chemtrails it says chemtrails 1326 00:53:37,690 --> 00:53:34,400 or anything else is a little Wikipedia 1327 00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,700 disclaimer on the deep yeah I mean yeah 1328 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:39,680 that's just well it's actually quite a 1329 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:40,970 good article the one they linked to I 1330 00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:42,410 think it's actually the Encyclopedia 1331 00:53:49,390 --> 00:53:47,150 Britannica article yeah well we've been